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  • #43598
    Armadon
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    So I was just listening to the beetles edition of the Real Congregation and @marcwithac brought up a point how some beetles songs shouldn’t be covered cause it was made for a certain time or subject. And that got me into thinking if there is something to that but not just with beetles songs.

    Are there interlectual properties out there that most people deem untouchable?

    And on the topic of remakes, which remakes have not improved upon the original concept. I ask that cause I just re-watched clash of the titans and thought it was visually better but wasn’t a better story because of it

    #43600
    M
    Participant

    Can I add a category?
    What about ip’s that have not yet “expired” to the point of having any good reason (besides cash grab) to be retouched?

    For example, frigging Robocop, again. It’s multilayered story that is both parody and one of the greatest examples of it’s genre. Sure, you can make a dumb remake about drone strikes or whatever but the original subject matter is as timely as ever (actually, it seems to have hit some predictions right on the mark). Additionally the special effects look great, so you can’t even say you’re modernizing the effects with your dumb cgi.

    Or Conan the Barbarian, muscular barbarians beheading crazy badass sorcerers is still awesome, right?

    #43601
    Armadon
    Participant

    All very good points @m, the only thing I liked about the new robo was that they kept his desire to see his family and let him see them, granted the original was more tragic but I am a sap for having a family motivation.
    I have a beef with Spielberg reworking War of the Worlds, were cylinders not cool enough for martian transportation?

    #43624
    Max
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    Robocop hadn’t expired? It had been like 30 years since the first one. I think a more accurate “not expired” example is Spider-Man, where it only got done to avoid the license reversion.

    I think there are almost no examples of superior remakes I can think of. Willie Wonka was awful and should not have happened. Death Race, Rollerball, Planet of the Apes, all these films should have at best been re-released, but never remade. You could make the case that Desperado is a superior film to El Mariachi, but it is more of a re-make-uel that sort of builds off the original while retelling and expanding it? the only other film I can think of that does something like that is Evil Dead 2.

    #43625
    Max
    Participant

    Another specialty remake category is the Samurai-to-Western genre. The Seven Samurai was remade into The Magnificent Seven, Yojimbo was remade into A Fistful of Dollars, and I feel like there are probably a few more. I haven’t seen Yojimbo in forever, but I recall liking A Fistful of Dollars much more. The magnificent Seven is worse than Seven Samurai. Recently this went the other way, and somebody in Japan decided they needed to remake Unforgiven as a samurai film. I haven’t seen it yet though, so I can’t comment on it.

    #43629
    Armadon
    Participant

    Alright I just listened to the concept album episode of real congregation and pink Floyd’s final cut was brought now that is an album done during a specific time for a specific reason. So would someone have the right to do a cover of that album or is it an untouchable piece of history that is not mention for coverage. Whether it is in honor of the band or if the performer may have had the same issues and couldn’t make a song of their own would the performer have the right to do it

    #43635
    M
    Participant

    @maxacree

    That’s right, Robocop is close to 30 years old and it hasn’t expired. That’s because it’s brilliant. (The sequels are rubbish though.)

    #43636
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It has been too long since I have seen the original Robocop, but I remember one good thing and one bad that came from the remake.

    Good: there was a clearer and believable sense of motivation fur Murphy in the remake. The original wasn’t bad but my memory has left it vague.

    Bad: my favorite line showing the true purpose of the modification was cut/unthought of. During the emergency room scene a nurse says “his left arm is still on good shape we can save it” and the doctor responds “no, it doesn’t match our plan, cut it”

    Remakes
    I think avatar was a better movie than the original Disney Pocahontas movie. They’re not going to be able to do better than that.

    #43638
    Max
    Participant

    Avatar was certainly better than the original Dances With Wolves, although I do like to call it Dances With Smurfs. I think The Fast & The Furious is laterally equal to the original Point Break.

    #43651
    Armadon
    Participant

    Man, Robocop was a hotter topic than I thought I was.
    Now @m, you can’t deny that Robocop 2 wasn’t an action film that brought up important issues of parental control and corporate greed

    and the end fight was still better than any fight scene in alien vs predator.

    #43653
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The Robocop trilogy I thought was fun at the time I watched them. 3 may have been weird, but it was the first time I remember being weirded out by a bot. (namely the scene where the Japanese bot took a lead pipe to the jaw) but that is just because I was young and hadn’t seen much by that point.

    The final fight scene in 2 was epic.


    @maxacree
    , I always thought Avatar was a way better remake of Pocahontas than a remake of DwW. I honestly liked DwW and thought it was a decent movie overall.

    Here is another movie that is a pretty good remake
    I Am Legend
    (And by good I mean, good as a stand alone movie, not as a way of telling the original story better)

    #43654
    Armadon
    Participant

    I am legend is much better cause omega man just was lame. I don’t know which I more to the original story but if you were to compare movies as stand alone then yes it is a much better film.
    but another point is if there was no book and Omega man was the original source then how did they make a better film. They changed the conflict dynamic and added CG monsters instead of people in makeup, they had the main character on the quest for a cure while Heston was just trying to survive. And of course they added a dog.
    did they improve the product by remaking it or should they have just renovated the original and rereleased it?

    as for the avatar/DwW/pocahontas kind of thing you know what I direct you to the book “hero with a thousand faces” for the story as for the my part in the discussion, I am happy to see Weaver reprise her role from Gorillas on the Mist

    #43656
    Garayur
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    In terms of untouchable movies I would throw out The Rocky Horror Picture Show and based off the latest episode, UHF. There really isn’t anything meaningful that could be done to update Rocky Horror you would end up making a poor imitation or changing so much it wouldn’t be relevant. UHF is tied up with its times. I don’t think there is a modern equivalent of a public television station, maybe a media website? I don’t think there is any way you could really modernize it without stripping away what it is. It is too tied up with its time.

    As for Avatar, I though they made a remake of it already with the Surfs Movie.

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    #43658
    M
    Participant

    Man, so much Robocop stuff!
    But then again, a guy gets crucified and resurrected as the immortal 80’s action hero, in a movie that both parodied and handily beat it’s genre. Throw in some good old questions about masculinity and you get a character that has purposefully the most wooden acting ever and still comes off as interesting. Bonus points for spotting all the cross symbols, walking on water and the sex scene.

    It has been too long since I have seen the original Robocop, but I remember one good thing and one bad that came from the remake.

    The original Robocop was really mostly a machine, it’s heavily implied that his brain is at least partially artificial as well. The new robocop is some sort of bro who just gets a below-neck prosthesis or something – and then gets drugged, I dunno. So the characterization should be bit different.

    Now @m, you can’t deny that Robocop 2 wasn’t an action film that brought up important issues of parental control and corporate greed

    Sure, Robocop 2 is an enjoyable action flick, my bar for that type of movies is set much much lower than that. Bonus points for actually having a “Robocop 2” in the movie and foregoing the dumb ‘kid invulnerability’. It’s only ‘bad’ if you insist on comparing it to the first movie – 3 however…

    I am legend is much better cause omega man just was lame. I don’t know which I more to the original story but if you were to compare movies as stand alone then yes it is a much better film.

    Don’t forget the Last Man on Earth though… I enjoyed it the most of the three.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Man_on_Earth_%281964_film%29

    Vincent Price, yo.

    #43660
    Armadon
    Participant

    Didn’t know about that. But if there is one man to survive it would be price

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