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  • #56138
    Max
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    @thebigbadshadowman: It’s interesting how large the overlap on our collective Venn Diagram is when it comes to influence mapping, even though we all have our core areas of “expertise,” as it were. I think for me the standout reference material has been some of the alternative animation styles that @Cap has uncovered while looking for attainable visual targets for the eventual cartoon. One of the standouts for me lately was a music video from Doze Beats ft. Astronautalis & Ceschi = Leave it dall Behind. They get so much mileage out of pans and scans, and minimalist motion:


    @pseery80
    : “Is there a practical reason for a morphing vehicle?”
    You can make a case for it, and even find some precedents in our current technology depending on how loosely you are willing to define the term “morph.” There are two primary use cases for a morphing vehicle, one of them more common than the other. In the most common example, you have a vehicle with such an extreme performance envelope that it NEEDS to change shape in order to capitalize on the forces at play across it’s range. The example we are probably all familiar with is the F-14 Tomcat, of Top Gun fame, and to a lesser extent the B1 Bomber. These two planes pioneered the use of “swing wing” airframes, meaning at low airspeeds the wings would pivot at the base to be very cruciform when viewed from the top. This allows for greater lift at lower speeds, meaning you can actually get the plane slow enough to land without stalling and falling out of the air. But above a certain air speed, wings that straight out create too much drag, and so what happens is they sweep backwards to make a triangular silhouette when viewed from the top. This creates a smaller frontal cross section, and reduces the buffeting from the air as the plane breaks the sound barrier.


    Another example you are potentially more likely to see is what happens to a Hypercar (such as the Bugatti Veyron or the new Ford GT) when they are put in “race mode.” This is an example of the first use case edging into the territory of the second case: a single vehicle that needs to perform multiple roles. Here we have a car that can get up to 250+mph, and just like the Tomcat this requires changes to the aerodynamics and driving stability systems to achieve, but since it is ostensibly a street car, it must be made to perform at the lower speeds and with the greater driver comfort expected on standard asphault (as opposed to the carefully manicured and prepared surface of a race track). The Veyron actually has a second ignition key location when you want to go into “race mode,” and when you use that it unlocks the speed governor, lowers the suspension to better control the airflow under the car, etc. The new Ford GT has a pretty awesome “race mode” transformation as well. It is basically exactly what was predicted by Knight Rider when Kitt would go into Pursuit Mode:

    Another example of the second use case is the F35 fighter plane. they need to be able to take off and land vertically, in addition to keeping up with dedicated traditional fighter planes. They went about that by having a second ducted fan engine in the fuselage that opens up when needed to hover. This came up anecdotally in that Batmobile discussion:

    As it pertains to LD, sending a team on a mission with limited resources, unknown opportunity to receive resupplies, etc., it makes more sense for them to have what amount to Swiss Army Knife cars that can be this in one situation, and that in another, as opposed to having single-purpose equipment.

    “Do dogs name cars…”
    People name cars after whatever they think is cool, tough, luxurious, etc sounding, depending one what is contextually appropriate. Suzuki had a small SUV called the Samurai for years, dodge had a sedan called the Diplomat, IHI had an SUV called the Scout, Ford had a Ranger. So it’s not like the go-to naming convention by any means, but it’s also not unheard of.

    “Centurians or Dino Riders…”
    I had Centurions toys, they were pretty cool. I recall them being closer to the 12″ scale. I recently went back to the intro to that cartoon, and it doesn’t hold up. I don’t really have any experience with Dino Riders beyond knowing it existed, and involved the riding of armored dinosaurs.


    @rjlikins
    We get into Crystal Drive engines at length in a coming episode, so I won’t dive too deep into it. Suffice it to say they are pneumatic piston engines (like the Air Hogs toys) because I wanted intakes and exhausts on the cars.

    #56139
    Cat
    Keymaster

    @ouij Hey, we all make mistakes, but I’d like to think that your award-winning charm and exuberance would usher in some swift forgiveness. And hey, some people think going off the grid is romantic.

    #56141
    Max
    Participant

    @pseery80: Another common use case is to fold up for traveling, and then expand when parked. Pretty much every modern RV above a certain price bracket has this feature, where when parked, the side of the rig expands out on hydraulic rams to create more interior space that would be impractical to drive with if it were a permanent feature. Probably the most extreme case of that I’ve seen are the Mobile Headquarters used by the teams in Formula 1. they bring these motorhomes and trailers around the world from race to race, and once parked, well, watch this video:

    #56143
    Armadon
    Participant

    @maxacree for morphing i was truly referring to full transformers, from motorcycle to spider instead of having a seat pop out of a giant metal spider with wheels on his legs.
    I am for vehicles “shifting” not Morphing, unless it was a transformer

    And max would you name a car Big Guy, Or main man, Or a nationality based name, not like Chinese Miracle but more like “here’s my car, the Egyptian. Maybe like the Wild Russian. That was the comparison to a dog naming a car the hound or alpha dog.

    The appeal of dino riders was that they landed in dino times and turned incorporated their tech with dinosaurs. Notably a brontosaurus with a couple of platforms sitting like sachels on the beast

    #56144
    Max
    Participant

    @pseery80: On morphing: The motorcycle-to-spider justification just needs the right fictional wrapper for why it’s necessary. Maybe it’s kind of the cartoon version of the trailer-based crane that when parked has to deploy stabilizing legs to avoid falling over: it travels to and from a crystal mine as a motorcycle, and when it gets there the wheels split out into legs so it can climb all over the crystal growths perhaps? Basically it was an example of a neat visual concept that just needs the right premise to feel justified in this world.

    On nationality based names: I’m not sure I’d do that personally, but Volkswagen sure enough named their SUV the Tuareg…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_people
    and Jeep had a truck called the Comanche:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Comanche
    Dodge has a truck called The Dakota:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_people
    And the US military has a helicopter named The Apache:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache

    Names like The Big Dog are like when people give nicknames to specific pieces of hardware; an example of that is the two nuclear bombs dropped in WWII being named “Fat Man” and “Little Boy,” or the NASA “Little Joe” test rockets. If I had a big truck, I might refer to it as “Ol Paul Bunyan” or maybe “The Viking” or some other tough/big/rugged sounding people name, even if it’s real name is the Toyota Tundra.

    At any rate, the naming convention for vehicles in LD evolves across the coming episodes. Where we ended up was more along the lines of Famous Dog Names, rather than types of dog. This is exactly like what happens in our world, where brands of car, and even specific car models, are named after individual people. Ford, DeLorean, Panoz, Ferrari, Dodge, Porsche, Honda, Toyota, etc. are all named after their founders. Many of those companies have used the names of their children on various models, such as the Ford Edsel and Ferrari Enzo. So when we have Dingo driving the Rover 940, it isn’t dissimilar to Steve McQueen driving a Porsche 917.

    I just found Episode 1 of dino-riders…I probably would have been ALL into that had I had access to it growing up. the setup seems pretty much the same as Transformers and Thundercats. Look at that list of voice talent though:

    On the dinosaur front, I think about Cadillacs and Dinosaurs a lot in the context of Lightning Dogs, maybe more than the other guys. But more specifically in it’s original comic form Xenozoic Tales:

    #56146
    Cat
    Keymaster

    I think about Cadillacs and Dinosaurs all the time. I knew it was a thing, and never had access to the show, comics, or game, but was always fascinated by it. My loose notions of what it is from a visual and contextual perspective, I think, really speaks to my intentions with Lightning Dogs – that same spirit.

    #56180
    TheBigBadShadowMan
    Participant

    Question time

    with Glampire having the Glass Spiders as pets and the Lightning Dogs having Beast Hound as an animal companion, is it safe to say other main player in the wasteland have pets?

    It's about "SHOW TIME" so drop by http://demonlordm.deviantart.com/

    #56186
    Cat
    Keymaster

    It certainly is – but that’s a road we haven’t gone down yet. Haven’t designed the “monster companion” action figure line or settled on pairing any other characters with beastly pals. Absolutely inevitable though.

    #56237
    wrldqueek
    Participant

    Hey all,

    I have a question about our favorite MacGuffin, the as yet un-named crystals.

    What color are they, or does it matter? In my head I picture the natural crystals as shades of green and blue, while synthetics are purple and red. I think that’s based on the connotations associated with those colors (after all, the natural crystals are the “good” ones). Also, way back in episode 1 or 2, somebody mentioned purple lasers, which stuck with me.

    Something I was thinking about.

    #56275
    Armadon
    Participant

    Points
    1. Give captain scrap an all robot crew or one creature from each continent to introduce other races.
    Let the crew reflect the captain’s inclinations

    2. Crystal currency: a book series by brandon sanderson, stormlight archive, infused gems were both a power source and currency

    3. Robots: i like that the more advanced robots left the earth, why not have the remaining robots be the creations of those that left, 2nd gen robots. They are waiting for their makers to return with knowledge or tech to destroy glampire?

    4. Also, are robots sending assasins to glampire like clockwork?

    #56278
    Max
    Participant

    I kind of like the idea of a robot holiday of sorts, where this year’s Anti-Glampire Assissinbot leaves to go on his mission, freshly programmed with the salient details of last year’s failure.

    #56280
    TheBigBadShadowMan
    Participant

    I like to hear how Max comes up with his designs

    that being said it’s question time

    What would you say the ratio of freaks to species when it comes to the beasts of the wasteland?

    It's about "SHOW TIME" so drop by http://demonlordm.deviantart.com/

    #56281
    Max
    Participant

    @thebigbadshadowman: what would be the most useful format for something like that to you? Do you want it to be a quick “we liked this car, that toy, and this other obscure street sign, here is the final product?” or do you want to see it broken out into stages with more actionable descriptions of how to decide what is or isn’t “good” reference? Just trying to determine if what people are interested in is a “how to design things” tutorial (or at least How to Design things: the Max way which may or may not be better than anyone else’s way, but here it is anyway), or just a little more behind the scenes flavor about a given piece of design?

    #56283
    Kishaan
    Participant

    When you say morphing vehicles, do you mean transforming the vehicle on the fly like Spyhunter? I looked into the early designs and they seem extremely off road capable but having active aero in the sense of flight seems a bit more complex.

    #56284
    TheBigBadShadowMan
    Participant

    @Max I like seeing broken out into stages of how the design came to be. I am a big fan of art of “game title and movie tittle ” books

    It's about "SHOW TIME" so drop by http://demonlordm.deviantart.com/

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